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george

11-10-2004, 04:13 PM

i promise, normally something like this wouldnt bother me but today it did. this girl in my 4th period class had a shirt on that said "i love lesbians"......like i said normally that wouldnt bother me but it did.im not a homophobe or anything, just something didnt feel right. (and no im not a lesbian), but i have no problem with gay people, you know, my phliosophy is: If I dont see it, why should I care?

I think it was because she was advertising it like it was something special that bothered me. i know it wasnt her as a person because she's really nice. but it still bothers me now, and i got out of school at 2. :confused: wow, im confused???????
i think it was the whole advertising thing, that bothered me.

im sry if i offended anyone. but its my opinion so i stated it.:)

Death By Jell-O

11-10-2004, 04:24 PM

The sad thing is most people who wear stuff like that are just being trendy.....It's become "in vogue" to wear t-shirts such as the one you've described....Chances are, she's not a lesbian and she's just trying to be cool.......If she is lesbian, more power to her, but it's still just a fashion thing......The "cool" thing is trying to blatantly offend people..

Sedated_replica

11-10-2004, 04:41 PM

Attention, plain and simple. LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME , LOOK AT ME. I can't stand it. You'll see that a lot in school. Girls more than guys.

Haunted

11-10-2004, 04:56 PM

It's never a bad thing to say how you feel. If what you feel is hurtful say, "I feel this way, it's hurtful, and I don't like it." Then, people will understand that you have a certain problem with say, a specific group of people, and thus they can help you understand and overcome.

I don't think you're a homophobe, and there are 3 ways of looking at this.

1. Trendy is probably the right analysis. It is a very attention grabbing shirt.

2. Being a lesbian isn't always about sex despite the concept of sexualtiy being a second part to "homosexual." Lesbian is a type of woman. Just as heterosexuality doesn't define a person neither should homosexuality (unless we make it so, as this young woman was doing.)

3. I'm not comeing down on you, George, when I say this, but would it have been as annoying if she had a shirt that said, "I love men?"

george

11-10-2004, 05:08 PM

haunted, to answer # 3, yeah that would have been anoying. really anoying accually? because truth be told in todays society people jump around to different sexes all the time, and even thats anoying.

But i do think the whole attention getting thing was what she was doing.

Arioch

11-10-2004, 05:13 PM

It was all about attention (get used to dealing with that and women, they go hand and hand) and the fact that it is "cool" and "in" and "trendy" to be a lesbian....its hip.....being a gay male however is a different story....keep that shit to yourself:rolleyes:

This culture makes me sick....

MichaelMyers

11-10-2004, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by george
i promise, normally something like this wouldnt bother me but today it did. this girl in my 4th period class had a shirt on that said "i love lesbians"......like i said normally that wouldnt bother me but it did.im not a homophobe or anything, just something didnt feel right. (and no im not a lesbian), but i have no problem with gay people, you know, my phliosophy is: If I dont see it, why should I care?

I think it was because she was advertising it like it was something special that bothered me. i know it wasnt her as a person because she's really nice. but it still bothers me now, and i got out of school at 2. :confused: wow, im confused???????
i think it was the whole advertising thing, that bothered me.

If you have no problem with gay people, how can it bother you?

The STE

11-10-2004, 05:53 PM

I love lesbians, too

last bad move

11-10-2004, 05:57 PM

its attention but who cares

newb

11-10-2004, 05:57 PM

I got no problems with lesbians. We have the same diet.:D

DraculaInDallas

11-10-2004, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by newb
I got no problems with lesbians. We have the same diet.:D

LMFAO!!!!!!!! newb, here's something to wash it down with :D

newb

11-10-2004, 06:15 PM

Thank you DD. I'm already on about 4.

I got tomorrow off so I thought I would tip a few tonight.

FairyKorpes

11-10-2004, 06:31 PM

Big deal lol. Maybe she got it from a gay supportive rights thing, who knows.

If anyone did apposed it, it would make as though they were anti-gay, and that's a whole other ball of wax that i'm sure administration doesn't want to deal with.

Get with the times lol

urgeok

11-10-2004, 06:45 PM

where can i get one of those T-Shirts ?

The STE

11-10-2004, 07:06 PM

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a23/a23.gif

FairyKorpes

11-10-2004, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Marlboro
What are you, the hdc opinion police? Fuck the times. The times have nothing to do with advertising the shirt in a place like school. Its a shit stirrer and should not have been worn AT SCHOOL. Who cares if she wears it at the mall? I think it was wrong. I'm all for lesbianism, after all I myself am one. I'm extremely openminded but some things just dont make sense. Like wearing a shirt like that in school. That's my opinion.

Administration sees fit to suspend a student for saying a prayer in class at a public school. But that shirt is acceptable. I dont need to get with the times. Somebody, somewhere else needs to get a grip.:p

"Hey pot" "hey kettle" we're black.

Shut the fuck up!

wufong

11-10-2004, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by george
i promise, normally something like this wouldnt bother me but today it did. this girl in my 4th period class had a shirt on that said "i love lesbians"......like i said normally that wouldnt bother me but it did.im not a homophobe or anything, just something didnt feel right. (and no im not a lesbian), but i have no problem with gay people, you know, my phliosophy is: If I dont see it, why should I care?

I think it was because she was advertising it like it was something special that bothered me. i know it wasnt her as a person because she's really nice. but it still bothers me now, and i got out of school at 2. :confused: wow, im confused???????
i think it was the whole advertising thing, that bothered me.

im sry if i offended anyone. but its my opinion so i stated it.:)
should have got togther with a few friends after school and beat her up. yeah catch her in the toilets and slap her around a little.

ShankS

11-10-2004, 09:20 PM

seen quite a few girls with these sort of tshirts on.... cant see the problem tbh. Some people look into things too much.

gren

11-10-2004, 09:30 PM

just trying to get attention and be cool, and HIP. like WOW i cant believe ur wearing that! ur such a free soul!

sorry, i woudlnt wear one cuz thats kinda gay (no pun intended). anyways, im not really into sayings on my shirts

urgeok

11-11-2004, 02:31 AM

its that whole lipstick lesbian thing thats supposed to be so chiq now ... like the girls kissing in clubs.

its all done for shock value ..none of these girls are lesbians .. its just a big tease .. like the 'porn star' tshirts.

as far as double standards go .. well the media is all over the gay men thing too .. will and grace ..queer eye for the straight guy ...
apparently all gay men are funny and a riot to be around and all lesbians are beautiful. The world loves cliches.

but this shock value stuff isnt any different from the kids showing up at school dressed like little brittney sluts ..

or the kids that dye their hair blue or the mohawks or anything else the mainstream finds extreme.... its 1/2 emulating the culture heros and 1/2 rebelling against parents and society norms in general .. something the kids have been doing for 50 years.

Girls tend to rebel a little harder ... as they are naturally repressed as part of the conditioning process ..
(be a good girl ... say no, etc) which stems from the 'bad girls are sluts' and 'you're gonna get pregnant' fears. Guys dont get this treatment and instead the double standards are encouraged.

Anyway .. when you see these t-shirts and crap at school .. its not so much the kids .. they're always pushing the envelope as part of the growing and experimentation most kids experience ..
its the parent or parents that have given up and are losing the battle that are the real ones to blame.

Especially single parents who are having a tough time coping with their own lives and work and paying the bills without having to fight a battle for every little thing that comes along.

that being said ... fake or not ... girls kissing is pretty cool :)

Horrorfiend

11-11-2004, 02:41 AM

Now picture Rosie O'Donnel kissing your mom. Is girls kissing each other cool now?

urgeok

11-11-2004, 02:43 AM

if they were the only 2 on the face of the planet doing it - i would have to say no.

dont think thats the case now - is it ?

Horrorfiend

11-11-2004, 02:45 AM

It was just a joke. Jeez.

Steve_Hutchison

11-11-2004, 04:37 AM

Lesbians aren't particularly cool.

EXTR3MIST

11-11-2004, 05:08 AM

Lesbians aren't particularly cool

That's an interesting statement - how do you arrive at this conclusion? What other sexual preference is cool by comparison?

I once saw a T-shirt instructing me to "RELAX" from a guy called "FRANKIE"... I'll relax when I darn well feel like it, thank you very much.

urgeok

11-11-2004, 05:09 AM

cool is a relative thing

EXTR3MIST

11-11-2004, 05:15 AM

No it isn't - it's a positive term for good, excellent, marvellous... what is cool related to?

urgeok

11-11-2004, 05:16 AM

its related to what you personally think is cool ...

ShankS

11-11-2004, 05:23 AM

If a girl wants to wear a statement tshirt...then I've absolutely no complaints at all.

EXTR3MIST

11-11-2004, 05:23 AM

Then with such a pointlessly wide scope bullshit is a relative thing too, but lesbians don't particularly speak it.

Inferring lesbians are not cool suggests they are not good - or at least, not popular to like.

urgeok

11-11-2004, 05:30 AM

pointlessly wide scope ?

what the hell ?

Are you saying there is one right answer ?

EXTR3MIST

11-11-2004, 05:45 AM

If cool or not cool is relative only to the announcer (and thus excused as merely opinion) then one could say homosexuals are rubbish.

Rubbish being relative to me by thinking and saying it, I could get away with that one.

Hiding prejudice behind "uncool" is fair enough, but I'm sure in this case most lesbians would disagree with the terminology.

Any lesbians here?

urgeok

11-11-2004, 06:14 AM

its really this simple.

you make a statement on what is good/cool/acceptable based on your personal feeling about the thing.

There are several billions of peope on the planet all with different perceptions of what is cool.

There is no definitive peramiters for cool except one ..

If you think its cool - it is for you
if you dont - its not for you.

you cannot determine for other people what they think is cool or not.

cool is relative - to you and the people who happen agree with you.

Steve_Hutchison

11-11-2004, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by EXTR3MIST
That's an interesting statement - how do you arrive at this conclusion? What other sexual preference is cool by comparison?

None.

EXTR3MIST

11-11-2004, 06:46 AM

It's an inaccurate term for a bold and prejudicial statement - if we are allowed to publicly slate sexual preferences and claim the terminology is relative to the speaker and therefore acceptable it opens the floodgates for further prejudices - Asians are not cool, Christians are uncool, Transsexuals are not particularly cool...

Tastes and perceptions of cool is not the issue - derogatory talk of entire sexualities is.

Lesbianism might "not be for you", but a place where this kind of pointless statement is allowed to fester will soon see further thoughtless and potentially harmful slurs from those keen to overstep the mark and not discuss curious issues without making their prejudices known in the process.

A horror forum filled with kids could probably do without it.

Steve_Hutchison

11-11-2004, 06:54 AM

zwoti

11-11-2004, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by ShankS
If a girl wants to wear a statement tshirt...then I've absolutely no complaints at all.

agreed

Haphazard

11-11-2004, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by The STE
I love lesbians, too

Took the words right outta my mouth.

urgeok

11-11-2004, 09:54 AM

its the stuff dreams are made of kid....

Arioch

11-11-2004, 10:25 AM

Lesbians aren't particularly cool.

Agreed....no sex or sexual preference is cool or uncool....and when one is put on a pedestal in our society as "cooler" or more hip than others....something as seriously gone a stray....

george

11-11-2004, 10:44 AM

wow!! nice posts guys. i do agree with most of what ppl were saying, and everyone is entitles to their own oppinion, and marlboro you right its not acceptable in school, the thing that bothered me, but if she were the mall i could honestly care less what she was wearing. but school is another story. i guess im just a semi-reserved person. :) oh well, when life gets hard eat cheetoes!!:cool:

EXTR3MIST

11-11-2004, 11:39 AM

If it's alright for someone to own and wear a t-shirt like that, why couldn't someone wear something that says "I hate lesbians"? If it's accepted to love something, it's just as equally right to hate it, no?

Sure - but in the case in question the loving-of-lesbians statement is probably supposed to be ironic... of course in doing so, it becomes exploitative of lesbians - as if the wearer is deliberately poking fun, and looking cool in the process.

What about when Madonna wore Britney and Kylie T-Shirts in public? Was she simply being friendly, or suggesting to her fans she could ironically promote inferior performers and cash in on the publicity it generates?

Guess if we analyse this damn T-Shirt enough we can discover why the world is going to hell in a handbasket, and possibly even the secrets of the universe...

Personally, I'd be more interested in what's underneath it - woof woof!

meetthecreeper

11-11-2004, 11:41 AM

Who cares what somebody is wearing? Just another person looking for attention. Next time wear a shirt that says Hetero and proud of it. No one will care about that either or at least they shouldnt.

Besides its the "in" thing to be gay or better yet bisexual.

I always tell people that I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body.

The_Return

11-11-2004, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by meetthecreeper

I always tell people that I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body.

AWESOME!

ashes

11-11-2004, 12:07 PM

its all ridiculous... i mean, i saw a shirt that said 'i <3 dick' ... and i do love dick. but im not sure i could pull that off.

tshirts are getting a little too personal with their statements. but hey, i really dont give a shit what people wear. :rolleyes:

EXTR3MIST

11-11-2004, 12:23 PM

i do love dick. but im not sure i could pull that off

Oh, you could baby.

ashes

11-11-2004, 04:23 PM

in retrospect, i should have found a better way to phrase that :)

The STE

11-11-2004, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by george
when life gets hard eat cheetoes!!:cool:

Cheetoes? Is that what you call it?

chaplain

11-11-2004, 07:59 PM

I smell bullshit.

urgeok

11-12-2004, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Who cares what somebody is wearing? Just another person looking for attention. Next time wear a shirt that says Hetero and proud of it. No one will care about that either or at least they shouldnt.

Besides its the "in" thing to be gay or better yet bisexual.

I always tell people that I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body.

I think it used to be the 'in' thing in the 70's when it was a bit more shocking.

The in thing now is for straight girls to pretend they are gay or bi for the purposes of teasing .
Gay men are just looking for acceptance - as always.

EXTR3MIST

11-12-2004, 05:51 AM

Could you imagine a straight man pretending to be homosexual in order to be cool and hip...?

urgeok

11-12-2004, 06:21 AM

in the 70's - sure .. emmulating Bowie, etc ..
It made some people feel they were a bit more interesting.

but not so much now .. despite a lot of progress there are still a lot of backwards thinkers that find gay bashing amusing.

Arioch

11-12-2004, 08:44 AM

I have a shirt that says

"I fucked your boyfriend"

Wore it at our first concert.....:D

juanhacko

11-12-2004, 11:41 AM

I'm homosexual, but I don't feel like wearing a T-shirt publicly proclaiming such.

But I do have a couple of T-shirts and a few Baseball caps that I am careful where I go while wearing them:

Shirts: TEXAS, where farting is a competitive sport.

Eat Me (with a big bananna on the back)

Caps: No chingones con los Mexicanos

Pero Como Me Divierto--No Gano

I accidentally had the no chingones one on when I was about to be served dinner by a very religious Mexicano group--I got the hell out of there and changed fast.

urgeok

11-12-2004, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by juanhacko
TEXAS, where farting is a competitive sport.

is there a single soul in Texas who would even argue with that ?

juanhacko

11-12-2004, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by urgeok
is there a single soul in Texas who would even argue with that ?

NO.

urgeok

11-12-2004, 11:49 AM

hey - if you're gonna have to deal with the unpleasant after effects of eating tex-mex, you might as well have a healthy little competition .. win a prize ...

juanhacko

11-12-2004, 11:53 AM

Believe it or not There really are farting contests here--and for the longest turd--the loudest belch--the biggest booger.

I've lived here all my life and not everybody is crude--but we do have more than our share.

urgeok

11-12-2004, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by juanhacko
I'm homosexual, but I don't feel like wearing a T-shirt publicly proclaiming such.

But I do have a couple of T-shirts and a few Baseball caps that I am careful where I go while wearing them:

Shirts: TEXAS, where farting is a competitive sport.

Eat Me (with a big bananna on the back)

Caps: No chingones con los Mexicanos

Pero Como Me Divierto--No Gano

I accidentally had the no chingones one on when I was about to be served dinner by a very religious Mexicano group--I got the hell out of there and changed fast.

It just occured to me that as a gay male 61 year old Texan horror fan, you're somewhat of a demographic unto yourself :)

urgeok

11-12-2004, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by juanhacko
Believe it or not There really are farting contests here--and for the longest turd--the loudest belch--the biggest booger.

I've lived here all my life and not everybody is crude--but we do have more than our share.

well .. at least the stars at night are big and bright..!! :)

FairyKorpes

11-12-2004, 12:32 PM

chaplain

11-12-2004, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by urgeok
It just occured to me that as a gay male 61 year old Texan horror fan, you're somewhat of a demographic unto yourself :)

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D
More power to ya, Juan!!!:D :D

urgeok

11-12-2004, 01:18 PM

lets just hope he doesn't post the website featuring the pictures from the 'longest turd' contest !

juanhacko

11-12-2004, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by urgeok
It just occured to me that as a gay male 61 year old Texan horror fan, you're somewhat of a demographic unto yourself :)

Actually I am somwhat of a nut--I still rollerblade, have quite a few friends both gay and straight.

I promise I won't post a picture of the longest turd, but the caps and T-shirts are fair game.

I'm actually pretty conservative--but how do you post a fart?