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Okay, so the tall guy over there who plays Abraham Lincoln… does he need to get married or anything? Did anyone ever tell you that you look like Abraham Lincoln, at any point in your life because you really do have a striking resemblance? And how tall are you?
Ben: I'm 6’3”. And if you say I look like Lincoln than that is a high compliment.
Did anyone ever tell you that?
Ben: I had never gotten it, no, and that was a big concern when they were casting it as to who was going to be able to make the makeup work. And so much of this film was in the minutia of really re-creating that time-period and that man so no I've never gotten it but I may from now on.
Seth: Can I say something else just briefly about that? I think that, what is important too is that Ben, as of now, has not been in a ton of movies. He is fresh to people and I think. Like there is a version of this movie where you could go out and get like Tom Cruise to play Abraham Lincoln. That isn't happening, but you want to get a bigger movie star and put them in big platform shoes and everything, but I think that person would bring the baggage of who they are to this role and a crucial part of the movie is you have to forget that it's not Abraham Lincoln. You have to accept it at face value and also you just need an actor who can do it. And I think that when you see the film, there's no question that Ben is that guy.
Jim: It's funny because that process of asking him was six months, because I've been through it as well. You probably know his role before this was playing Andrew Jackson on Broadway in a play called Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson. Greg Cannonand I heard about him from Mindy Marin our casting director and so we got on a plane and we went to New York. And we went to this play. And then to a workshop with him in New York where he was working on the Gettysburg address. Etc. etc. and then he came to Los Angeles. For more many months into Los Angeles and Greg Cannon made him Abraham Lincoln at 50, and then he delivered the Gettysburg address and we just said that was awesome.
Why did you opt to do with location shooting in place of using some of the actual Lincoln sites here?
Seth: I think it's simple really, an economic question. When you start thinking about what do you put on the screen, of course the film is just an illusion anyway. So yeah, what you can put on the screen. If you can, in our case, go to Louisiana and the tax benefit is just substantial it's a money thing. You can come here say or go to Louisiana and save 10 or 12 or $15 million is the difference and Louisiana was great, because we had to span a 60 year period, but it was really an economic thing.
You can see how the concept is immediately clever. But what makes a clever concept work in a full feature film, what is it that makes it not just a great short idea, but a real movie?
Seth: Emotion and the real story of Abraham Lincoln. The themes of his life. The themes of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps. Literally making something of yourself when you came from nothing. No education, no family connections, no wealth of any kind. I thought about this when I wrote the book too, not just to say he's kind of portrayed as a superhero. But if you think about it, there is no character like Abraham Lincoln in American history or world history. We were talking about this today there is no Russian equivalent of Lincoln as somebody who started as nothing and rose not only to the highest office in the land. But then saved that land and in that way I always thought of that in terms of the book as a superhero origin story. I've said it in 1 million interviews since that he is the first and only true American superhero. And so what we've done in a very big, very genre way is that we've taken that concept and made it into the action movie version of that concept. We are literally doing a superhero origins story in the 19th century. And as weird as that is, I grant you it's weird, but I think it works. Part of what I love about the fact that this is a movie. It's a somewhat temporal movie, but it kind of has no business being in a weird way, because it's sort of out there in concept, but it's not a sequel. It's not a remake it's not based on a video game. It's not based on a toy and there are no robots in it. And so in terms of summer movies that sets it apart. And I am excited about that.
Will there be action figures?
Seth: There will be action figures! Obviously. But you know, it's the chicken and the egg question.
I'm a really big nerd, and I loved the book. And I've never been happy with remakes when it comes to a movie when it takes from a book that I'm very passionate about. And so, I love Seth that you're obviously very involved with the making of the movie was there anything that they wanted to do and you said no, you're not doing that to my baby?
Seth: Oh my God! By the end of the process, no I just said yes to everything. It was a really strange and unique sort of process for me to adapt my own book, because I knew going into it that. Look at the people you're working with, you're working with Tim Burton you're working with Jim who has produced these huge movies, and you're working with the director of Nightwatch and wanted and so you know what you're getting into. And you know you've got to rise to that bigness. We had a lot of discussions about stuff and we went through so many different iterations and so many different drafts really experimenting with things, but I'll tell you something, and here's a perfect example. And there are many differences by the way, between the book and the film, as there are with many books, but especially in this case, I think that one of the things we realized very late in the process of the screenplay was that Michael had no central villain. There was no villain in the book to sort of give voice.
Jim: There was a metaphor.
Seth: There were villains, it was the vampires at large. It's very helpful it turns out, to have a villain to go up against your hero. So that's one thing that we created was the character of Adam to sort of give voice to that and all of the evils that the vampires do. And there's a big climax in the movie that I won't give too much away about, that's not in the book, but the book didn't really have a big climax . Lincoln goes to the theater and gets shot, and gets buried. That's kind of it and there's a little epilogue after that. So certain things have to change. And I'm very pleased with the changes we made, because I think that the things we clung to are dramatically important. And they do justice to the real Lincoln story and the real Lincoln ideals.
Forgive me, but I have to ask: what can the horror fan and the vampire enthusiast expect from this?
Seth: What can the horror fan and the vampire enthusiast expect from this? I will let Timur answer that. You can speak of the vampires.
Timur: I don't think the movie about vampires and the real historical figures. It's really mentioning the real history.
Seth: You know what they can expect? They can expect that It's gonna be very bloody. Parts of it are going to be very scary. This is a point of personal pride for me as a horror fan my whole life; this movie puts vampires back where they belong. And that's as bad guys and not as heartthrobs. They should be beheaded with an ax and not kissed by Queens. All right? So that's what you can expect, is bad ass vampires getting treated like the villains that they are.
This question is for Timur. The fact that you grew up in Russia did it kind of help you directing this film. That is based around an American icon, but he's acted loosely based around his life?
Timur: What I was trying to explain unfortunately, I was trying to remember the same figure in Russian history, who was so connected for contemporary for us. And unfortunately I couldn't. But I feel that this was an adventure for me. This process, and I think, I found it in terms that I have been here for six years in the United States. And this really helps me to connect to the country to the people and understand more. And I understood that we are the same. We have the same problems, the same desires. The same enemies, they are vampires.
Seth you mentioned that you knew the story as a superhero. And of course one of the things about superheroes is that while they all have origins, not a lot of them have endings, whereas, Lincoln does have an ending. Should this story be successful, are there any other stories to tell of Lincoln? Could we see stories set not a prequel necessarily, but stories that took place within this story?
Seth: The short answer is yes, absolutely. I think if you read the book. There is an epilogue that sort of leaves things a little open to that. I think in the film, and we’re not giving anything away, we don't definitively and the origins story. We leave not only a mentor story, but also a possibility of a Lincoln story open, so yes.
Jim: So this is a story of a struggle that was going on before Lincoln punctuated it. But it's probably going on now.
This question is for Timur. This film from what we've seen also in Nightwatch and Daywatch and in Wanted. You've got the real world, but then you've also have this alternate reality going on. You kind of have superhero figures doing battle in a war that the real world isn't really aware of. What would you say draws you to this sort of narrative?
Timur: I really believe that any fantasy world is to be crafted otherwise you cannot relate. You cannot connect the characters in this book. It was very very interesting for me because this book has a real story behind it and for me it was fun to break it, change it and play with it. And that's what I really liked from childhood, to find a toy and break it.
Seth: We talked a lot about in the process of crafting the script and in making the movie. We talked a lot about these two worlds. There is the historical world the Lincoln world that is the familiar. And then there is what we are doing to it, which is the genre world and make no mistake, this is a genre movie. Yes.
Timur: There are three worlds, the real-world, Lincoln world, fantasy world and our world, the world we are living in now. It's a combination of the three.
Seth: And that's one of the things that make the movie unique is that you can say it's a genre movie. It's an action movie, and yet there is also…There's also a historical movie in there, and there is a very emotional movie as well about Lincoln as played by Ben Walker, who like the real Abraham Lincoln suffered endless heart ache in his life, endless challenges, endless setbacks. Death was all around him in all places. I don't think there was a two-year period in his life after he was nine years old that he didn't have some incredible setback or loss things that would just crush me personally, and most of us. And that was very interesting to all of us I think in that genre way. He has this almost super heroic ability to pull himself up and to find his inner strength as you saw even in the first scene when he finds that strength. That's kind of a blend of one of those things where history and reality and our world and the genre world all blend together into one scene, and it's an interesting balance. It's one of the things that I love about him.
Timur: He's not a genre character. He is a real man. It's, what was important for me. It's not the story is not just the genre story. It's a real story with the genre context.
Jim: Because it's a humanist at its core. It's genre. It's a humanist story. It's the best of what we all on some level male and female inspire to be.
Seth: And I think is also one more element, just add one more thing to that, you can write anything you want about Peter Parker and nobody's gonna get that angry. But, you have to approach the life of Abraham Lincoln with a certain amount of respect for the real events and the real heart ache and the real account which meant that's one of the key differences. We’re talking about a real person here whose story is well noted. And whose story is important to a lot of people ourselves included so that's one of the other things that sets it apart from your typical genre movie.
Jim: And we fully thought about it a lot. We fully believe that he himself would approve and like this, because it's the truth.
Okay so let me just play devil's advocate for a second. When you wrote all that stuff about all the vampires and stuff you have to admit True Blood, Twilight. It's definitely a genre right now. So can you say that there is no inspiration from that genre for your film? Or was there? There was never any talk about Abraham Lincoln being a vampire Hunter before this. I'm just curious.
Seth: I didn't take my inspiration from in writing the book. You mean, there was no inspiration, I don't think True Blood premiered yet. And there's certainly no inspiration from Twilight, although my wife loves those books. I have to say, the inspiration for me came from the life of Abraham Lincoln. I was on tour for Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, going on a book tour. And I told the story a bunch of times, but I would go into all these different bookstores around and there were two things that were always the same, in the front of the bookstore at that time were a table of Twilight books and right next to that table of Twilight books, this was 2009 so were talking about the bicentennial of Lincoln's birth, there was also a table of Lincoln biographies and that was sort of the connective tissue for me. Hey, people love Lincoln books and people love vampire books. Then I set off on a journey of exploring the actual life of Abraham Lincoln. And then fell in love with the real story, which is a story of darkness and heart ache and what I saw as a superhero origin story. And so taking his real-life as a roadmap I wrote the vampires that I wanted to write as a horror fan of scary vampires. If anything there is more Christopher Lee in this then Edward.
Timur: I'm fighting the vampire since 2003 in Night Watch.
Ben. You talk about genre and that's something that is something that you guys really work at that world. If I am portraying Abraham Lincoln and allow myself to think like that or think in terms of genre or the historic creeping out into the abstract. I'm not doing service to the man. The joke is in the title and the movie is the commitment to it down to the buttons on the jacket that I wore. The amount of work that went into making it real and meticulous and thorough was mind boggling to me. It's so interesting to hear you guys talk about it because to me. It's a drama. Of course it is. It's Lincoln's struggle with himself and the evils around him and building his life his legacy and his family.
Seth: And that's another thing that I think is gonna set it apart for people when they watch it Is that when they watch Ben's performance, It's like an otherworldly performance. It's surprisingly honest, and it's surprisingly touching and grounded like Timur was saying. That's why we get away with the bigness of the gags and everything, because always at the core of it Is this emotional story this real story that you're kind of really interested in through Ben's performance.
Jim: Trying to make a better country and we just have to lock some heads periodically.
You mentioned the outer world as the third element. And I was just wondering how that plays in to the film?
Seth: There was a level of embracing the contemporary in terms of while being true to the world that existed and the world that we are creating. There is a level of charm that we can relate to on a contemporary level and that's what I think you mean.
Timur: Brooklyn is still the same and I think our audience is young boys and girls and we are telling the story for them. And in my mind is that addressed in the movie and not to the soldiers from the 19th century. It's addressed to the audience watching the movie.
I do believe this movie is going to touch people from around the world because of the nature of the character you talk about fantasy you talk about vampires. But one of the things that we haven't talked about … What do you think is going to be the reaction if any or what do you expect to be the reaction of the politicians?
Seth: We'll that's an interesting question. It's a political year it's an election year, so automatically were talking about being divided right? I think that for me, if anything, I'm not saying that the movie sets out to do this, but I'm saying that through the lessons of Lincoln, if this movie gets people thinking about the actual Lincoln thinking about the legacy of the real guy. I think that if anything talk about being a uniter to a country that was literally tearing itself apart, and he reunited it as it is now sort of through the pundit tree rather than through the musket, which nobody is succeeding were just flipping channels, would you guys say that it's overtly political movie? I don't think so.
Jim: I think all art is a metaphor in any case, and I think what is really powerful about this of course is that the metaphor is grounded in reality that even if you're not an American you understand because of that character. And that metaphor can apply and be in a variety of ways basically, as you inject your feelings and beliefs thoughts about it on to it is just a powerful metaphor that can be. How is it going to be used I don't think it's overtly political, but it got used to the political way. I don't think it's possible.
Seth: But were also dealing with Lincoln's life. So you can't escape the politics of it because politics was a huge part of his life. I think it's an interesting time for this movie to come out frankly. I think it's a relevant time for the movie to come out.
Seth you are saying that the Twilight movies that kind of like faux pas vampire movies.
Seth: While I didn't say they were faux pas. I just said that they weren't my cup of tea as far as I like my vampires. I understand why they are popular, yes. I don't want to anger, the “Twihards” people.
I particularly want to ask all of you what you think the whole vampire fascination is about in our society. Especially because we have the serious vampire films, dating back from Nosferatu to Dracula and to Interview with the Vampire. And then those two books like Twilight type stuff and this is to be back on the serious move?
Seth: Sure. I've always been fascinated with vampires first and foremost I am fascinated with the idea of immortality as a human being whose life is limited to a certain undetermined at this point number of years, part of me wants to live forever to see what's going to happen and vampires, though they have to pay a pretty heavy price for it and fangs and killing and drinking blood and not being able to walk out in the sunlight in most cases. They get to live forever, but not in our movie however, but we'll get to that. They have to wear sunglasses though, and sunscreen. They invented sunscreen. Yet there wasn't Coppertone, right.
Jim: There was upwards of 15 to 35.
Seth: But why for me is I think number one there is a darkness to them that is sort of representative of the darkness. We all have in our hearts at some point, or at least in just speaking for myself. Jim definitely doesn't. But for me it's the idea of immortality, and it's kind of like that there is a real sexuality that you are putting your teeth on someone and stealing their lifeblood taking their essence there's no surprise why people find that sort of erotic in some cases and also why people find it scary, and even a little sexy.
Timur: Mysteriously they can convert you that's the scariest thing, because we know that Lincoln was killed in the theater. But the whole movie you're afraid that they will bite him and we know who was killed in the theater.
Seth: So take that!
I was wondering if you could touch upon why you got involved in this film to introduce yourself to American audiences. And on a large scale did you know it was going to be a tenfold franchise style of when you originally tried out and talked to Timur? And you could touch upon working with your costars Dominic, Mary and Rufus?
Ben. The thing that drew me to the film, and that I was focused on in terms of why I want to do this, was the ability to work with Timur. I come from the stage. I come from standup comedy. You're right that something that is very new for me. So I had no idea what it was gonna be and I still don't. But I knew that working with this team. I could get better at what I do. So that's why I wanted to do it and I got to portray a man I thoroughly admire. Second part of your question was costars. Mary Winstead, no offense to the actual Mary Todd, but Mary Winstead is really an attractive girl. She does Harrison justice and everybody was great to work with Mary of course is a brilliant actress. Dominic Cooper. He's my mentor in the movie and I don't have as much experience as he does in the film. And he was very much my mentor through the process. Of course Anthony Mackie, Anthony and I actually went to college together. So we have rapport and a vocabulary that worked nicely in the same way that they, Will Johnson and Lincoln had a rapport and a history together. Rufus Sewell, of course, also horrifying. He also brings this gravity with him that is an authority that translates so nicely to a character that has existed for as long as recorded time. I believe that he was around when they were building the pyramids. He/s authority and presence canning compass something as wild and as far-fetched as vampire and make it very real and grounded and funny and charming and every actor in the movie I learned something from and really enjoyed working with them.
This is to all of you actually, you all did research on Lincoln at different times in this process. I'm wondering what elements of the real man and the personality and reality. Did you want to make sure made it into this version of the movie? You're obviously adding elements that are fiction, but I want to know what real elements were important to each of you that you got into this character?
Jim: I would take that to Ben because I think that the core things if there were five things. They're all completely consistent across not just us but to them and to anybody who was involved.
Ben: I read a book called Lincoln's Melancholy. I'm sure you guys know it, but there's a lot of his life that is very helpful in terms of the story that we're trying to film. He was a multifaceted man and a man who had a number of struggles that plagued him his whole life. And through that, it’s not a far jump to be where we are with the film. But I really can't emphasize enough I really just approached it as an actor and I did my research. I wrote in my journal. There was no thought in my mind that there was anything other than we were making a live action Lincoln. He just happens to have an ax.
Jim: For me it was always important that Abraham Lincoln did the right thing. That Abraham Lincoln cared about other people. That Abraham Lincoln was always thinking about somebody other than himself.
Seth: You know the scene that we see, that's a perfect metaphor when he is with Mary, and she asks him point blank, “Why are you so tired? What have you been doing nights?” And he's honest, he’s that honest Abe. And we can have a kind of laugh about that, but we're still maintaining the core values of who he is. And if he was alive today and what we want to be and what we want to emulate about him.
Timur: And to me it was about I still read all the books and in the beautiful black-and-white movies, old movie buff, and I think, what was cool in that movie and in the role was his sense of humor, because to survive to mentally survive through all the horrible things. It's only a person with a very big heart and an unbelievable sense of humor. It's unique.
Seth: Yeah he was a darkly funny guy in real life and by all accounts a great storyteller and a very funny storyteller and a big laugher. But for me, you know, my research was in researching the book and in doing that, I very quickly fell in love with the guys story and I fell for him. I think it's very important that when you're writing about something you inhabit somebody. You need to feel for them very strongly. And I do and in walking around here. It's my second trip to the museum and seeing some of the art and going today over to the tomb and seeing Willie buried there and Tad. There, knowing all the loss, I really felt for him and so the lesson for me coming out of all that is his perseverance. The guy was virtually indestructible as a human being and for me that's an inspirational lesson.
Ben just spoke little bit about his costars, but it seems anytime you have a new name in a big movie like this. People seem to kind of surround him with a bunch of big names, names that kind of pop off a poster. You didn't really go that route. Was there a push kind of go that way?
Timur: No, we had a huge name, Abraham Lincoln.
Jim: When we got involved for us it was in a way to have somebody who had some relationship with an audience. That was different, or you had to get over or past. You see Lincoln was a problem for us. So when we first started in we first got involved with this, and when we got involved with Fox, We said we really want to put believable people in these characters and not in any way do we want to be chasing a name. And they were fantastic about it. They were great, so there was literally no pressure anywhere from anybody about putting an actor in a role unless they were right for that role. It was a uniquely painless process.
Apparently you're gonna be doing action figures and whatnot in the end, what kind of rating are you aiming for?
Timur: I don't know, …R. He had an ax in his hands.
Seth: Because the ax is so personal end up close when you're killing somebody, you can't just shoot from across the room.
I noticed that you shot down South are the scene set…
Timur:. Yes, there is a piece of the movie set in Louisiana.
Seth: And the one you saw, the scenes here where he's hunting the pharmacist, which is part of the process of his vampire hunting. And when he's courting Mary and all that it all takes place in its all taking place in Springfield a lot of the movie is taking place in Springfield. And then of course it progresses to Washington.
Seth: Yeah it's you guys get more exposure to the movie you'll see everything from his log cabin direct through to his riding off to the theater I mean, it was really re-creating 50 years of his life.
Can you speak to doing this in 3-D? Was that done out of commercial necessity or artistic choice? Do you wind up constructing the shots deliberately to highlight that affect and Ben particularly as an actor, the 3-D and the special effects how does that complicate trying to make that very honest character?
Timur: For me it was just an unbelievable chance to create a different world where not using 3-D just to show layers. It action based on the rules and language of 3-D movies when the vampire is next to you or finding its way different. If he fights and it's a way it's okay. It's still okay but if he's next to you. You’re dead. Also a vampire has special vision, and they can see sharper and more. The 3-D piece is part of the storytelling.
Ben: It's also a tool. It's just another tool to include you, the audience, in this world that we've created as a viewer. I want to pay extra to go see a 3-D movie because I love seeing them but as an actor it's another conduit for us to get the story to you in a more personal, more visceral way.
Seth: And it's interesting also you may or may not know this but the cameraman. The director photographer who shot it is Caleb Deschanell, his CD speaks for itself. And he brought this kind of elevated vision of Lincoln painterly in a way. Timur’s vision in brief was that he was looking for a painterly quality and Caleb Deschanell brought this painterly quality, and then constructed that world with Timur in a 3-D, which I'm a skeptic about 3-D too, and I completely through the process have been. This is a movie that I want to see in 3-D, because it's so much more in 3-D. It's not less than.
Jim: It's designed from the ground up to be in 3-D. Even though I only broke the movie in two dimensions.
Ben. And the weird thing is that on the makeup you want to see it in 3-D, because not only did he give me a great story and a great action movie, a great thriller, but you're also getting to see Lincoln progress in age from birth to death. That for me, I'd pay to see that.
Timur: Here in the next room. There is a theater where you can see Lincoln and his story in 3-D. Why? Because people want to be there, because it's history they want to be there. He can be in Cirque du Soleil now.
Ben: I learned a lot. We had a great stunt team, the team work, and we really wanted you to be able to see an amazing thing happened, but also Lincoln's face. So I hit a lot of stunt guys with a rubber ax by accident. But I learned a lot of it.
Seth: He did it. It's all real, in the camera, happening. There are not any editorial tricks, by necessity, to avoid his inability.
Was there a line drawn or kind of in no man's land of where you stopped the sendup and try to keep intact?
Seth: I think the line is the title of the movie, I mean, the title of the movie is absurd. It's a sendup, but then the execution of it is sincere. One of the first things we all sort of sat down Timur, Tim, and Jim and I and everyone else, we were over at Culver Studios the day Michael Jackson died. So, whatever that date is. I came into the room; literally, it was the first time ever meeting Tim Burton in my life. And I met Timur and Jim just one time before that and it was hugely intimidating and Tim's got his big glasses on. And they're all sitting there looking at me and they were like so what do you think the most important thing about doing this movie would be? It was the question they posed to me. And I said, and I meant it, I said “play it absolutely down the middle straight. Don't wink at the audience. Don't go like hey just kidding”. Even if it wasn't a vampire see you in the second real. It's like take the ridiculous concept and everything you do to support it make it grounded. Make it real. Make a cool. Make it a visceral. And that's exactly what I think we did. We talked about that a lot, Never winking.
Jim: We did that. I think we did.
Seth: We winked?
Jim: No, we did not wink at all.
Seth: No we didn't wink. Thank God.
Jim: And as far as the line, I think that you have to have reverence for the real history. The man was a real man, real suffering, still extraordinarily revered in today's world, especially in this country, and by all of us. So that to me personally was the line. Never make the guy look like an idiot. And if you do it's only through him trying to learn to wield the ax. Okay, he drops it. That's not exactly what we're talking about. Never be false to his real ideals. That was the line for me.
If this were to become a hit do you have any other historical figures? You would like to tackle take on other mythological supernatural creatures?
Seth: Well, I have a book coming out in April about The Three Wise Men of the Nativity. That is the truth. I do have a book coming out about the three wise men. So I guess the answer is yes, presidents, no. I think Lincoln is my favorite. I think we’re going to stick with Lincoln on the presidents. However, like we said before, if it's a hit, there is room for an expansion of the story and we'll kind of leave it at that.
You talk about how Twilight and True Blood were kind of opposite of your kind of vampires. What are some of the vampires that you looked to for inspiration and what kind of inspiration or any did you get from Buffy?
Seth: Well, first of all from like the Jos Whedon and the Marty Knox. I'm just big fan of Buffy. However look I think Buffy, I don't want to say a swear word, because I'm working with Fox here, those fuckers that come out of the hell hound are bad. They're horrible, horrible vampires, and they deserve to be decapitated in a most. You know, unsavory manner. I approached it from I took a little bit of Nosferatu, I took a little bit of Christopher Lee. I took a little dash of Gary Oldman and I threw in some Jos . And I did it all subconsciously, because that's just my fan base. And you know I’m not a fan of the Twilight stuff. I respect the fact that Stephanie Meyer got 1 billion kids to read books. That's awesome, anybody who gets kids to read books. I'm a fan of theirs, but that's not what I connect with I connect with bad bloody soul sucking bastards out of the hell hound. That's what the intent here was.