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Thanks, Gum! That is interesting. I read Samhain is a real pagan harvest festival, but there is no Thorn constellation in real life.
Yeah, the whole Thorn thing was made up for the movie, but I thought the connection to Samhain was really cool, especially how it was presented in Halloween II.

If you think back to when that came out, no one knew anything about Michael Myers other than he killed his sister for some reason, was near catatonic for 15 years, then suddenly escaped to kill more people in the same town. Everything as far as a motive is a mystery, and all you know is that Michael is something dark and dangerous. Suddenly, when Loomis is called to the elementary school that Michael defaced, you are given a child's drawing of a family with a knife sticking out of the daughter, and the word "Samhain" written in blood on the wall. This is the first glimpse we get into Michael's mind, because no matter what was compelling him to do what he did, Samhain was important enough to him that he had to write it on the wall. With the reputation that paganism has, and the later revelation that Laurie is also Michael's sister, I feel like the connection to Samhain through the Curse of Thorn was a great development for Michael as a character.
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:44 PM
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Yeah, the whole Thorn thing was made up for the movie, but I thought the connection to Samhain was really cool, especially how it was presented in Halloween II.

If you think back to when that came out, no one knew anything about Michael Myers other than he killed his sister for some reason, was near catatonic for 15 years, then suddenly escaped to kill more people in the same town. Everything as far as a motive is a mystery, and all you know is that Michael is something dark and dangerous. Suddenly, when Loomis is called to the elementary school that Michael defaced, you are given a child's drawing of a family with a knife sticking out of the daughter, and the word "Samhain" written in blood on the wall. This is the first glimpse we get into Michael's mind, because no matter what was compelling him to do what he did, Samhain was important enough to him that he had to write it on the wall. With the reputation that paganism has, and the later revelation that Laurie is also Michael's sister, I feel like the connection to Samhain through the Curse of Thorn was a great development for Michael as a character.
The "Samhain" written on the wall, in Halloween II, is interesting, considering Carpenter and Hill wrote the story/screen play. But as you know, besides the word, the film tells you absolutely nothing about it. I'd assert 99% of all viewers had absolutely no idea what it meant, or what to make of it. That being the case, and as bright at Carpenter and Hill are, they had to know the only association people would make with the word "Samhain" written in blood on the wall is the Manson Family murderers writing "pig" and "Healter Skelter" in blood and "REDRUM" written on the mirror from The Shining. I think Carpenter and Hill were just trying to make it weirder. Neither of them wanted to do the film.

I read a interesting thing about Halloween II...

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When asked about his role in the directing process, Carpenter told an interviewer:

That's a long, long story. That was a project I got involved in as a result of several different kinds of pressure. I had no influence over the direction of the film. I had an influence in the post-production. I saw a rough cut of Halloween II, and it wasn't scary. It was about as scary as Quincy. So we had to do some post-production work to bring it at least up to par with the competition.[5]

Rosenthal was not pleased with Carpenter's changes. He reportedly complained that Carpenter "ruined [my] carefully paced film."
Although we'll never see Rosenthal's cut, Carpenter should have left it alone. Either direct or not... too many cooks soils the Shape.
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