Global Warming

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by XtRaVa

I dont know how people can think its not happening...Theres proof that the hole in the ozone layer is getting bigger due to greenhouse gases and theres proof that icebergs are melting and the sea level IS rising. Saying its the earths natural cycle is a great excuse to keep living like fucking slobs and a cancer of the planet but the greenhouse effect contributes to global warming and thats one thing that 100% is happening. People that say nothing is wrong or its natural hopefully will die first due to us ruining the planet ;)

I agree. It's kind of like saying "People get fatter as they get older, anyway" to avoid cutting back on fast food, drinking , smoking, etc...

[Elvis_Christ]

No one cares what's left once there dead, its someone elses problem. Complacant, selfish generations fucking it up for the ones to come.

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ

No one cares what's left once there dead, its someone elses problem. Complacant, selfish generations fucking it up for the ones to come.

The beauty now, is that most projections i have seen anyway, put the beginning of the really nasty shit easily within our lifetimes.

Even if it wasnt, its not like i want to ruin my house before leaving it to my kid. Pick up, make it nice. i look forward to hydrogen powered vehicles and fusion reactors. It is much cooler than internal combustion engines and coal. smells better.

Plus, i long for a day when even big bad-ass motorcycles dont wake me up from 2 miles away because some asshole needs to show he has balls by being noisy.

[stygianwitch]

Little people like us do what we can with recycling and the use of cfc free stuff etc. It helps but not much

Until Governments and large Corporations cease to make huge amounts of money from their activities nothing will change, IMO that's where the major problem lies and nothing we say or do will make any difference to them

I also think that when the planet has had enough she'll heal herself, then most of humanity will probably be wiped out, and given that as human beings we feel a superiority over all other forms of life i doubt very much that we'll learn from the lesson

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by stygianwitch

Little people like us do what we can with recycling and the use of cfc free stuff etc. It helps but not much

Until Governments and large Corporations cease to make huge amounts of money from their activities nothing will change, IMO that's where the major problem lies and nothing we say or do will make any difference to them

I also think that when the planet has had enough she'll heal herself, then most of humanity will probably be wiped out, and given that as human beings we feel a superiority over all other forms of life i doubt very much that we'll learn from the lesson

Well, DVDs and hybrids tooka awhile to get popular, and most major auto manufacturers now have Hydrogen powered test vehicles, so its opnly a matter of time. Just think, if you can make fuel for next to nothing, and appeals to all of us eco-freaks, then make them affordable, even conservatives who dont like them will eventually get drawn in, i ffor no other reason than eventually the bottom line will appeal to them. I dont care how much someone wants to say the ozone is fine and global warming is nothing, driving a week off of a tank of fuel that makes no smell and no noise is just too good to pass up.

To my knowledge, they are going so far as to make hydrogen engines that incorporate the "hydrogen farming" technology into them, so as it produces water to power the car, it is already taking that water and "breaking" the hydrogen out of it to refuel the tank. It may not be perpetual motion, but it is damn close.

[Roderick Usher]

There are still billions of dollars worth of oil in the ground and until it is exhausted, it will be rammed down our throats.

It's not like the oil companies are just going to quit production. They will milk it until the teat runs dry

The state of Texas alone is planning on implementing a half-dozen new COAL FIRED power plants this year and China, Jesus Christ... their burning coal like it's Victorian London

Can't wait to see how the Olympic Athletes react to the AQI in Beijing in '08

[Vodstok]

Originally Posted by Roderick Usher

Can't wait to see how the Olympic Athletes react to the AQI in Beijing in '08

"Look at that! The godamn snowboarders are on Pot again, i know it."
"Nope. it's black-lung."

What kills me is that no one seems to want to acknowledge that for the first decade or four that we actually have affordable hydrogen powered vehicles, oil will still be used to make the plastics and polymers that make up 90% of the components in the vehicles....

[stygianwitch]

That's what i'm talking about, no way i'll ever believe that they don't have a substitute all ready to go, but until the oil/coal etc. actually runs out there's no way in hell they'll use it.... too much money in fossil fuels

One visible effect of global warming right now is the documented deaths of many polar bears because the ice is melting too rapidly.

Here's part of an article from the Wall Street Journal:

Scientists for the first time have documented multiple deaths of polar bears off Alaska, where they likely drowned after swimming long distances in the ocean amid the melting of the Arctic ice shelf. The bears spend most of their time hunting and raising their young on ice floes.

In a quarter-century of aerial surveys of the Alaskan coastline before 2004, researchers from the U.S. Minerals Management Service said they typically spotted a lone polar bear swimming in the ocean far from ice about once every two years. Polar-bear drownings were so rare that they have never been documented in the surveys.

But in September 2004, when the polar ice cap had retreated a record 160 miles north of the northern coast of Alaska, researchers counted 10 polar bears swimming as far as 60 miles offshore. Polar bears can swim long distances but have evolved to mainly swim between sheets of ice, scientists say.

The whole article is here:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article..._20061214.html

[XtRaVa]

Heres an english advert we have about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHDL3CIbhas

It's a shame that one of the biggest producers of these gases (USA) wont sign up to decrease their emissions and yet england and europe etc are all doing it. Sort it out america ffs.