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I think that I might have "missed" it in the film because parents/adults aren't particularly present... But that's the point!! (light bulb moment!). Roshiq points out later how Kuroda virtually ignores his daughter, who is covered in blood, until it's too late... I wasn't really sure how to "read" that scene when I first watched the movie - Was she an apparition? No - This film is grounded in "reality" (stark surreal/reality)... So the fact that he ignores her shows that disconnect/disregard between parents and children. I'm starting to understand the concept of being "connected" in the film - the clear and sad disconnect between a person and their family. Quote:
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V and Roshiq, thank you so much for your eloquent replies... I think that this is the type of movie that really opens up for you on repeat viewings... I can definitely see why I "missed" the themes of disassociation (I think partially it's also being ignorant of the culture as well - which I know that suicide is prevalent in Japan, I was not aware of the familial angst... though I suppose it DOES make sense... Japan is still a traditionally conservative society - The scene of the mother slicing off her fingers while making dinner is starting to ring as absolutely terrifying - A woman, mother, wife, feeling disconnected from her family - strikes out while in the midst of performing her "expected" role - homemaker. V - Thank you for that article as well. I really liked this statement in particular: Quote:
It's interesting - It's like the children have become the proverbial Pied Piper... But they are still lulling other disaffected individuals over the hills and far away. WOW fantastic discussion - Really opened up the movie for me. Thank you V and Roshiq for taking the time to reply. |
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Great stuff here. It has been a spell since i have seen Suicide Club, but from what i can remember, my take on it was that there was a youthful awakening of the masses of the actualities of a culture gone astray, where things and doings have overtaken the notion of living and being truthful with humanity. Suicide was almost a choice that was driven by the notion of regaining one's life through a choice not made by one's culture or civilization. The social nature of man was given to joining those of the same philosophies, those that chose a grotesque truth over an inculcated contentedness, and in doing so they spoke with their actions instead of mere words. Late.
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Of course, that doesn't mean that it isn't there - It just means that this movie isn't immediately accessible... Which isn't really a bad thing. Quote:
So, do you think the interpretations are rubbish, or that the movie is rubbish? I think that it might be a little unfair to shrug off the film in its entirety as "rubbish" - Though I can completely understand not enjoying it. The fact of the matter is, after the film, I wasn't sure whether or not the journey to the end was "worth" it... Or even if the END was "worth" it. Honestly, it's in this discussion thread that I'm really starting to "get" and appreciate this film more and more. I also think that more of this will manifest through repeat viewings... I just don't think that I'm "ready" to watch it over just yet. Noroko's Dinner Table however, is pretty much next on my movie watch list. Really excited to view it and to add to the discussion. |
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I didn't really detest the film, but felt that even after having the full meaning of the film explained and viewing it a third time that it still ultimately didn't work. I always enjoy it when a filmmaker tries to do something different, but I won't automatically love it just because it's different. As I said, there were some striking scenes in the film and I really tried to like it, but just couldn't. P.S. My daughter LOVES that movie. Genesis is definitely her type. |
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Oh GOD Genesis was such a great villain - All of the scenes in his "pleasure den" were so horrifying. So I learned after watching the movie that he's played by a pretty popular Japanese Pop Star... I kinda wonder, in terms of American Pop Stars, who would be his equivalent? Like, is he a Bieber-esque pop star, or a Timberlake-esque pop star? Or is he creepy, like a David Bowie? I'm sure that whatever his image is like in Japan adds a whole other meaning to his scenes that I just can't appreciate... I'll have to ask my friend Mike who's been living in Japan for a few years what Rolly's image is like. I'm kinda interesting actually purposefully casting a pop star in that role... Whey we have kids who are the actual perpetrators, where is this pop star that is trying so hard to get that attention. Interesting tie-in to how Japanese youth "connect" to pop stars, casting him has this vile villain. |
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I've never seen Noroko's Dinner Table, should probably do that sometime.
As for Genesis, somewhere between Robert Plant and Dr. Frank N. Furter?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TZHfmS7DYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap-yZ...eature=related |
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As regards the pop star point, I d say Rolly's image is closest to Kurt Cobain, both on-screen and in real life.
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Hmmm - So maybe his role isn't necessarily ironic in terms of tone (because he seems to be a "harder" Pop Star than, say, the American boy band equivalent)... But the role is a testament of how media connects to youth and/or disconnected individuals... And since Rolly, himself, is a media icon, he is a great foil to the fabricated icons of DESSART.
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Hey, sorry! I just signed in and saw the invite.
Actually, I'd really need to see this again to have an involved discussion about it anyway.
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I actually found this movie through a girlfriend a few years back, and I was rather impressed with it. Typically I am into gore flicks more than anything else, but I found this film quite intriguing. There was a certain...eeriness to it that I can't really point out. Mass suicide isn't generally explored too much in film (at least not that I know of). This film however delved pretty deep into the subject. Really though, it's one of those movies that you only want to see one time, at least for the sheer shock value.
A very good flick.
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