Manson
What is everyone's take on Charles Manson?
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Hes mad as cheese!.
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He's also a cunt...
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todays the anniversary of the sharron tate stab fest isnt it
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you are right. aug 9 was the bloody day. |
Correct me if I'm wrong but this was his plan:
He would organise the brutal murders of some rich, white people in LA and it would be blamed on black people. This would lead to a race war in the USA called "Helter Skelter" and this would be won by the black people. Whilst the war was waged, Manson and his "family" would be hiding out and waiting for it to blow over. They were waiting because Manson thought that although the blacks would win the war they would be totally inexperienced at having power so they would not be capable of running things and would turn to the only white people left to take over...Charles Manson and the "family". So IIRC...he was a total fucking fruitcake. And he got that from a Beatles song. The same band that sang "All You Need Is Love". |
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Edit: Nevermind
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I think he was genius. I mean not in a good way. but to be able to manipulate people that way you have to know what you're doing. however. I think that drugs also played a huge part of it. people who are addicted or on drugs do crazy things anyway. he was just in their ear to lead them the wrong way.
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Do you honestly think if Manson turned up at your house and tried to 'manipulate' you into killing a few people you'd bite? I know I would call the police and say "hey, I got a spastic in my living room telling me to kill people can you send a car over" I guess that makes me a genius too... How many prison guards has his managed to manipulate into multiple killings or hell maybe even an escape plan? The only 'genius' thing about guys like Manson is they target the weak and vulnerable.... We see that in pretty much every animal on the planet, what makes Manson so special? |
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Albert Einstein was a genius.As are the people who came up with Pinky and The brain . |
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I have to wonder why all those prison guards and psychiatrists he will have had contact with over the years arent out there now doing his evil bidding, I guess all those prison guards have to wear a tin foil hat anytime they have any contact with Manson... just in case. :eek: Manson gets his cock ridden way too hard, the dude is a fucktard. |
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ooh I really like Charles manson which is an odd thing to say I know but I do, I totally have a soft spot for him. I don't particularly think he was a genius as in he could rival carol vorderman on her maths haha but I think he was smart in the respect that he knew exactly what he was doing choosing the people he did and making them reliant on him. isn't he like the only person in jail for murder who didn't actually murder anybody? iknow theres various bits and bobs about people at 'the ranch' hes potentially got rid of but as for the 2 big murders that made him (in?)famous he didn't actually do anything did he? x
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No, he had others do his dirty work for him.
Total loon, although the whole story is fascinating. Read HELTER SKELTER and listen to THE BEATLES (AKA THE WHITE ALBUM). |
It's not like Manson is the only one out there that has been able to manipulate people. We all see it every day, some where in the news. People are not just manipulated by freaks and serial killers they are also manipulated by the government, big companies, and the such.
I think that the people who are molded by society or nuts like Manson are vulnerable, confused, scared, have low self-esteem, etc, etc. I know that I could never be talked into killing someone but that doesn't mean that my neighbor might not try it (per say). I have always felt that the so-called weak people in the world are the easiest prey for someone like Manson to take under his wing and make him or her feel like this is the only way to exist in life. Most of us cannot wrap our minds around how people can allow themselves to be taken over and changed into a monster or just something that they're not meant to be. In my own opinion, I think it's all psychological-based. We all can make choices in life; even if we are at the worst, lowest points in our life. Even though I say that this is based upon our psychological being, I don't use that as an excuse for anything; a person can choose to kill or not kill another human being. It's as simple as that. We all know that some people truly enjoy killing other people..... |
Manson/Myers: American Archaeology
Charles Manson has become a cultural icon of gypsy horror.
It's like that line in the Woody Allen film "Celebrity" [1998] --- You can learn a lot about a society by who it chooses to celebrate. Maybe America's highways and road-trip culture have made us morbidly fascinated with car crashes and tales of killer hitchhikers. John Carpenter's modern classic film "Halloween" [1978] introduced the world to the symbol of pedestrian ghoulishness in Michael Myers, the fictional masked serial killer who stalks people on Halloween Eve. Maybe Michael Myers represents someone like Charles Manson, a cultural ghoul who is a perfect fit for hellfire entertainment. ::shocked:: Halloween Franchise https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...lmyers2007.JPG |
I have heard Manson's mother sold him for a pitcher of beer, I want to know if this is actually true, or just a story??!
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Well that clears that up, thanks sugar. I take it you've done your research. If so, which book would be best in your opinion?
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http://www.youmustrememberthispodcas...ders?rq=Manson |
I haven't done that much research, I'm just old. ::big grin:: I remember watching "The Fearless Vampire Killers" and thinking, "they killed HER? Execute them all, NOW". The main book to read would have to be Helter Skelter, or course.
The podcast looks to be really good, and it has a good list of reading material at the front. Sadly, I don't do iTunes (or iAnythingElse. I'm old). It looks like the podcast will make the same point I would make. Manson is a product of his times. The only thing that made him stand out is that Sharon Tate was gorgeous and well known, and that the media had been pushing the "harmless hippie" thing for way to long. Turns out hippies will break into your house and kill you. The one thing that stood out to me (I think it's in Helter Skelter, I may be wrong) is that in the late 60's Haight Ashbury had gone from hippie heaven to prostitution and drug overdose capitol of the world. It got so bad that the Manson Family moved out to the desert. Think about that. Your neighborhood is so bad that the MANSON FAMILY won't live there. A lot of young people saw the trials on the news and went out and got a haircut and threw away the guitar, man. (You see the same thing after Chikatilo was finally caught. Everybody just walked away from the Communist party.) The arrests and very public trials of the Manson Family were used by the police and politicians to justify rounding up the stragglers, and the 1960's were officially over. Want to know how far things flipped the other way? Dirty Harry came out in 1971. Death Wish came out in 1974. Both feature older men shooting younger men. A lot. |
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Thank you, I will be checking this out. I've never listened to a podcast before. ::embarrassment:: |
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As a child I watched the Helter Skelter movie, I can't remember too much about it. At some point I did have the book & started it, but I lost it while I was moving. ::sad:: Sharon Tate was so very beautiful. <3 I've only seen her in the movie Valley of the Dolls though. I have caught bits & pieces on the case over the years. The crime scene pictures I can't unsee, although I'd like to. I've often heard people say the Manson murders, a long with Altamont pretty much killed the free love-hippie way of life. I wouldn't know though because that's way before my time. ::wink:: I wish I'd been around to experience Jimi & Janis though, I really love their music. And The Mama's & the Papa's.::love:: I've read old Charlie's got himself a girlfriend in prison now. The girl in question is questionable. |
If you haven't seen The Fearless Vampire Killers, you should. It is really, really, dumb. ::big grin:: It seems to be a parody of the Hammer films.
As for the podcast, I think you need to have iTunes installed to even listen to it from the website. I couldn't get anywhere with it. |
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My dad got letters from Squeaky and Sexy Sadie. We still have them too.
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