What are your thoughts on satanism?

[R.C. KITCHENS]

Say I and many others create an organization or church if you will..and begin praising the darkside and engage in tedious
pornographic sessions and use our calling as a method to
release the evil within..But, we only engage in the vigirous
methods on our own compound and never solicit people
to join, we only leave a sign above our Hell saying

"Satanic church" all are welcome to enter.

Say this was inside of your community, please explain your thoughts and possible concerns...maybe tell of your own
fantasy that you have about such a church.

[VampiricClown]

Ummmm....Personally?

I'd join it....

....I'll try anything once.

[R.C. KITCHENS]

:) That is good! I expect my family, would disown me for joining.
they have one religious example for life and that is jesus christ.
but I say God is not of the world.

[VampiricClown]

I have nothing against Christians, but I do not believe their religion for the fact that I am sick of them saying one thing and yet they do the opposite of what their religion teaches.

My family would do the same sadly, but I'm really to the point that I wouldn't care.

I know one person that is a Satanist and one that wants to become one.

[R.C. KITCHENS]

I knew there was many..

[Phalanx]

What are your thoughts on satanism?
That it's for easily mislead fools...nothing personal, I think the same of all organised "religions". Make up your own rules on "behalf" of some kind of god or entity, change them when enough of your higher-ups see fit.
Sad, pathetic waste of time...see, you don't have to be a satanist to put shit on other religions;)

[The Flayed One]

Satanism is more of a philosophy than anything else.

[urgeok]

i thinks its for people who want an easy way to make themselves seem more interesting (to the kinds of people who would consider these things interesting)

its also for people who dont know what the fuck they are thinking.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by R.C. KITCHENS
Say I and many others create an organization or church if you will..and begin praising the darkside and engage in tedious
pornographic sessions and use our calling as a method to
release the evil within..But, we only engage in the vigirous
methods on our own compound and never solicit people
to join, we only leave a sign above our Hell saying

"Satanic church" all are welcome to enter.

Say this was inside of your community, please explain your thoughts and possible concerns...maybe tell of your own
fantasy that you have about such a church. What would I say?...I'd say "You have no idea what Satanism is"...

I'd also suggest you research a few religions to find one that upholds your own personal beliefs...OR...If you're looking for something that adheres to what you have written here, I'd suggest you create a completely new religion based on those ideas....OR...You could choose to just steer clear of all religion in general

No matter what you choose to do...You really shouldn't call it something that it's not...It could cause some confusion (or just make you look uneducated)



If you're truly interested in 'Satanism'...Here's your first lesson:
Originally posted by The Flayed One
Satanism is more of a philosophy than anything else.

[crabapple]

Why don't you just open a Red Devil Pizza restaurant instead?

[SKOOFx]

Im down for it as a symoblic form of representation.

I am ALL for sprituality. I beleive good and bad are all the same. There is a very fine line that defines them both.

I TRULY hate christianity and most "Organized religions". Its a form of mind control.

So yeah, rocking a devil shirt or having a few graphic movie posters in my room are all a form of expression. (to me at least).

But like i said, Church of Christianity, Church Of Satan...if its organized, and has "rules"..they are all the same.

I share similar views with Haunted(at least i think). Although i know nothing about Wicca and Paganism, Through several experiences with halucinagenics, i have come to realize that everything around us is "god". Nature one great spirit. Vibes are all around us.

[urgeok]

all 'religions/cults/beliefs' start as a philosphy.
then more people get on board and involve rites and rules to 'enforce' their philosophy.

some are just goofier than others.

[The Flayed One]

Here's a small, very compact dissertation on "Satanism."

It, like every other religion, has a lot of folklore behind it. Although some people will call bullshit, saying that it's just a label attatched to whatever they felt like following, a lot of "religion" is. For instance, modern Satanists point back to Prometheus as a good starting point. Even though the Gods told him not to, he gave man the gift of fire. There can be a lot of comparisons drawn between Prometheus and the Christian "Ha-Satan" or Satan. Remember, satan is a title, not an actual person, which stands for "the adversary." Depending on what you believe, he wanted Adam and Eve to eat the "Forbidden Fruit" (it almost certainly doesn't refer to an apple) either to:

a.) Spite "God" and turn his creation against him

or

b.) Share knowledge because he believed that it should be.

B, of course, is part of the key to modern Satanism. The pursuit of knowledge or whatever you want that's being kept from you.

This, unfortunately, can be mis-interpreted, just like a lot in the bible or any other religion. If you think, however, that Satanism is about running around naked in churches with upside down crosses strewn about biting goat heads, you're sorely mistaken.

[Nikkif8]

Originally posted by R.C. KITCHENS
Say I and many others create an organization or church if you will..and begin praising the darkside and engage in tedious
pornographic sessions and use our calling as a method to
release the evil within..But, we only engage in the vigirous
methods on our own compound and never solicit people
to join, we only leave a sign above our Hell saying

"Satanic church" all are welcome to enter.

Say this was inside of your community, please explain your thoughts and possible concerns...maybe tell of your own
fantasy that you have about such a church.

This instantly made me think of the Davidians aka David Koresh in Waco, TX. I don't know why but all I could think of is the government would try to bring you down, eventually. There is still a church in Waco for the Davidians , one woman a survivor from the fire who lost her husband and 4 children. I go with follow what you believe. There is consiquences no matter what religion you believe in. I agree a lot of religions preach one thing and do the opposite. It's very bizzare.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by urgeok
all 'religions/cults/beliefs' start as a philosphy.
then more people get on board and involve rites and rules to 'enforce' their philosophy.

some are just goofier than others. Well said.


I myself, belong to the church of "Organisms". I am an organist, or what some call "Organism", and a carbon based one at that.


Not to be confused with an "Oragamist", which worships paper sculptures, or an "Organist"; followers of a bizarre cult that sometimes masquerade as organ players for churches to worship their enormous, pipe covered god.


Sounds like you want to start the "Orgasmists" with your tedious pron and all.



Anyone want to become an "Organism"? The membership fee is pretty light, and we have this crazy story about all life coming from bacteria. Way better than that Thetan bullshit they pimp over at scientology.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by urgeok
all 'religions/cults/beliefs' start as a philosphy.
then more people get on board and involve rites and rules to 'enforce' their philosophy.

some are just goofier than others. Agreed


However...Satanism doesn't involve any type of worship...Which I believe is important in what would be considered a 'religion', although I'm not 100% positive about the exact criteria for determining what a true religion is...


What I DO know is:


Satanism is NOT about worshipping Satan (or anyone/anything else)...Satanists do not believe in Satan

Satanism is a belief in YOURSELF

Satanism denies the existence of influential power from ANY external force (deities, nature, crystals, etcetera)...Satanism is a belief that there is no higher power than each human individual

A TRUE Satanist believes that HE alone has the power to make his life what it is, good or bad...That only HE has the power to cause change in his life by his own actions...He believes in himself, has faith only in himself, doesn't depend on anything else, and takes responsibility for his own actions...A Satanist never says "Please God, help me"...Or..."The devil made me do it"...Get what I'm saying?


Seri calls it 'narcissism'...



It doesn't really seem like any type of 'religion' to me...But, I suppose it's a matter of perception

[_____V_____]

yo...nice to see you BR...


I d summarise Satanism in one sentence...its an easy way for attention seekers to grab the spotlight very conveniently...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by _____V_____
yo...nice to see you BR...


I d summarise Satanism in one sentence...its an easy way for attention seekers to grab the spotlight very conveniently... Good to 'see' you, too :)

I agree with what you said...But, I would add..."especially those who do not know what it means, and associate it with some sort of devil/demon"

[_____V_____]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Good to 'see' you, too :)

I agree with what you said...But, I would add..."especially those who do not know what it means, and associate it with some sort of devil/demon"

haha...I look better when I m not "visible" around...if you know what I mean...:p

very true indeed. Most of the dumb f***s dont even know what it means, and just follow others in what they do. Its a classic case of one blind man leading another through a dark alley.

[urgeok]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Agreed


However...Satanism doesn't involve any type of worship...Which I believe is important in what would be considered a 'religion', although I'm not 100% positive about the exact criteria for determining what a true religion is...


What I DO know is:


Satanism is NOT about worshipping Satan (or anyone/anything else)...Satanists do not believe in Satan




then why the hell is it called SATANism ?


its like christians not believing in christ.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by urgeok
then why the hell is it called SATANism ?


its like christians not believing in christ. I know...It does cause confusion

But...The 'Satan' in 'Satanism'...Is used as a WORD, not an actual name of any entity/person...
Originally posted by The Flayed One
Remember, satan is a title, not an actual person, which stands for "the adversary."

It pretty much just means that you're against everything else, concerning religion...That the only thing that's REAL or holds any type of power, is yourself.....Which, is perceived as being adverse to God

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by _____V_____
I d summarise Satanism in one sentence...its an easy way for attention seekers to grab the spotlight very conveniently...

Most modern Satanists I know don't go flaunting it about. I only know they're Satanists through nights of long philosophical debate.

As to why it's associated with Satan, I think the post I had on the first page can help sum that up.

[_____V_____]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Most modern Satanists I know don't go flaunting it about. I only know they're Satanists through nights of long philosophical debate.

I have seen many brag bout it and try to influence others into it. Attending a black mass is like some sort of prestige issue for those guys. Also they had some special rites on June 6th this year, of which I m not aware of.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Most modern Satanists I know don't go flaunting it about. I only know they're Satanists through nights of long philosophical debate. That's also a VERY valid point...A REAL Satanist usually doesn't even mention it...It's almost always the ones that say things like "I practise Satanism" without any provocation, that use the term incorrectly, usually hoping for some dramatic response....That was why I added to ___V___'s statement

Originally posted by The Flayed One
As to why it's associated with Satan, I think the post I had on the first page can help sum that up. I tried :)

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by _____V_____
I have seen many brag bout it and try to influence others into it. Attending a black mass is like some sort of prestige issue for those guys. Also they had some special rites on June 6th this year, of which I m not aware of.

Those aren't Satanists. Those are idiots.

[urgeok]

well then,

i guess i'm a satanist by definition ..

but i prefer humanist.

as soon as you give it some kind of title it becomes something bigger than what it really is. and subject to interpretation.

i wouldnt go around calling myself a satanist because i dont believe in the presence of a higher power and i know i ultimately control my own destiny.

by the way :


A TRUE Satanist believes that HE alone has the power to make his life what it is, good or bad...That only HE has the power to cause change in his life by his own actions.............., and takes responsibility for his own actions...A Satanist never says "Please God, help me"...Or..."The devil made me do it"...Get what I'm saying?



that is also what a true christian believes.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by _____V_____
I have seen many brag bout it and try to influence others into it. Attending a black mass is like some sort of prestige issue for those guys. Also they had some special rites on June 6th this year, of which I m not aware of. Yeah...That sounds like 'Devil Worship' to me...Not Satanism...

Black masses are also included in Paganism/Wiccanism...COMPLETELY different from Satanism...As Pagans and Wiccans definitely believe in external forces...

[_____V_____]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Those aren't Satanists. Those are idiots.

haha...hence I said ^^^ above. Trust the guys with plenty of piercings and goth stuff to proclaim "I am a Satanist!" :rolleyes:

[_____V_____]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Yeah...That sounds like 'Devil Worship' to me...Not Satanism...

Black masses are also included in Paganism/Wiccanism...COMPLETELY different from Satanism...As Pagans and Wiccans definitely believe in external forces...

The younger generation hooked on phonics and drugs doesnt know which is which. All they are aware of is that they are following something, and its something which elevates them above the level of us mortals.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Those aren't Satanists. Those are idiots. Ha...You said it better than I did Originally posted by urgeok
well then,

i guess i'm a satanist by definition ..

but i prefer humanist.

as soon as you give it some kind of title it becomes something bigger than what it really is. and subject to interpretation.

i wouldnt go around calling myself a satanist because i dont believe in the presence of a higher power and i know i ultimately control my own destiny.That's a very astute analysis...And actually true...Atheists do hold the same beliefs as Satanists...But, yeah, who needs the title?


Originally posted by urgeok
that is also what a true christian believes. But...They accept (need) help from God, usually when times get rough...and sometimes BLAME God when things go wrong

A Christian believes "God helps those who help themselves".....But...A Satanist believes "Only I can help myself"

[_____V_____]

Its like looking at the same stuff from different angles.

Write a 6 on your hand, looks 6 from your side, and looks 9 from the other side...

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by _____V_____
haha...hence I said ^^^ above. Trust the guys with plenty of piercings and goth stuff to proclaim "I am a Satanist!" :rolleyes: I know a few people who are considered 'goth'...I don't know anyone who has proclaimed themelves to be 'Satanists' and definitely NOT 'Devil Worshippers'....The people that I know consider themselves to be either Christian, Pagan, Wiccan, Atheist, Agnostic or 'other'....It's pretty much just like any other sect of society...Or community... Originally posted by _____V_____
All they are aware of is that they are following something, and its something which elevates them above the level of us mortals. And that's what it's usually about...They have NO faith in themselves...So, they look to some other source to make them something that they can't achieve on their own...It's actually pretty sad...And it goes completely against ALL beliefs that Satanists hold...

[The Flayed One]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
And that's what it's usually about...They have NO faith in themselves...So, they look to some other source to make them something that they can't achieve on their own...It's actually pretty sad...And it goes completely against ALL beliefs that Satanists hold...

Yes, and it's sad. One bad apple can spoil the bunch. Satanists have angsty teens who want to try to scare people because they have no faith in themselves. Which goes completely against the ideas of Satanism.

Same with Christians, they have the whackos who hate Jews, gays and pagans because of what they are, which as far as I know, goes against everything that Jesus taught.

BTW Rayne, that one quote was from urge, not me you turkey!:p

[_____V_____]

I used to think that Satanists were actually Atheists who got a channel to show their non-belief in God. Its actually good in a way, cuz they are at least following a certain discipline. If something good comes out of it in their chosen paths, alls well that ends well.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by The Flayed One
BTW Rayne, that one quote was from urge, not me you turkey!:p Oops...I didn't even notice that:o...All better now

Originally posted by The Flayed One
Same with Christians, they have the whackos who hate Jews, gays and pagans because of what they are, which as far as I know, goes against everything that Jesus taught.Unfortunantely, most Christians that I have come in contact with, do (and believe) many things that go COMPLETELY against 'what Jesus taught'
Originally posted by _____V_____
I used to think that Satanists were actually Atheists who got a channel to show their non-belief in God. Its actually good in a way, cuz they are at least following a certain discipline. If something good comes out of it in their chosen paths, alls well that ends well. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, and to call themselves whatever they like....But, if a chicken believes he's a duck, something is usually wrong...It's often a matter of ignorance

[_____V_____]

Its just a question of which way the mirror meanders...

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by bloodrayne

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, and to call themselves whatever they like

No they arent... it's my way or the highway, bucko. Everyone can call themselves "Sploogie".

So has it been decreed!


I AM ZIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh, wait. No I'm not.



We're Gonna Make Biscuits...
We're GONNA Make Biscuits...
We're Gonna Make Biscuits!

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
We're Gonna Make Biscuits...
We're GONNA Make Biscuits...
We're Gonna Make Biscuits! HaHa

WHY is his head so big?
Why IS his head so big?
Why is his HEAD so big?
Why is his head so BIG?

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Vodstok

We're Gonna Make Biscuits...
We're GONNA Make Biscuits...
We're Gonna Make Biscuits!

No we aren't, Gir. I NEVER want you to mention biscuits again.

I watched a little bit (maybe 3 or 4 episodes) of Zim this weekend. i have zim on the brain.


Sorry. Keep on with your satan stuff.


Where's my moose?

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I watched a little bit (maybe 3 or 4 episodes) of Zim this weekend. i have zim on the brain.

It is definitely infectious


We should all just become Zimians...The world would be a better (although completely random, mostly senseless) place :D

[The Flayed One]

Ah well. At least the thread got hijacked by a worthy cause this time, instead of teh buttsecks and teh whathaveyou.

[R.C. KITCHENS]

BloodRayne, your right. I dont have a clue about what true satanism is, because it is everywhere and is everything.
My display of pornographic sessions is just an entry of
a form of what satanism is, Pleasure and the flesh has
many more forms but the delusion I was under in creating this post, was to show the basic creed of most organized and
un organized affilliates. Sex/Lack of Sex, and the meaning to
belong is how churches come together...Satanic, Christian,
and many other churches of different variations have all
formed there beliefs around those core genocides.

Still, I dont see any responses on how you would feel
about such a group or legion being apart of your town
or city or even coming from your home.

__________________________________________________
Im not a stupid person. I want to be apart of the begining, in
a way that is organized. There is a new form arriving and soon
it will be in order.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by R.C. KITCHENS
Still, I dont see any responses on how you would feel
about such a group or legion being apart of your town
or city or even coming from your home. People can and do participate in any activity that they choose here (as long as it's legal)...No one really cares...

As long as what someone else is doing doesn't adversely affect, or harm MY family in any way...It really doesn't matter what they're doing...Everyone is entitled to do their own thing...And to be perfectly honest, I really don't think we would even notice...

We do our thing...Everyone else does theirs...We all get along just fine :)

[Despare]

Originally posted by VampiricClown
I have nothing against Christians, but I do not believe their religion for the fact that I am sick of them saying one thing and yet they do the opposite of what their religion teaches.

My family would do the same sadly, but I'm really to the point that I wouldn't care.

I know one person that is a Satanist and one that wants to become one.

I'm sick of the stereotypes that get pasted upon me whenever somebody discovers I'm a Christian. If you don't want to believe in God, if you choose to worship Satan or Gaia or whoever then fine. It seems almost as if not being a Christian goes hand in hand with being an indefatigable detractor of Christianity.

[Vodstok]

BuuuuurrrrrriiiiiiiitttoooES!

[Dude Guadalupe]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
Black masses are also included in Paganism/Wiccanism... This is not exactly true. Sure, SOME participate in a black mass type situation but it seems that all most all of the time those involved don't really follow the pagan/wiccan path, (there are exceptions of course). In fact just about every pagan or wiccan I've ever met prefers not to participate in any "mass", they would rather practice by themselves without all the wasted candles that a group (coven) situation would have. Thats the beauty of it, they can choose to be solitary, and most do.


Originally posted by R.C. KITCHENS
Still, I dont see any responses on how you would feel
about such a group or legion being apart of your town
or city or even coming from your home. As for this one I say: who cares? And as they say in that song from back in the day "It's your thing, do what you want to do."

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Despare
I'm sick of the stereotypes that get pasted upon me whenever somebody discovers I'm a Christian. If you don't want to believe in God, if you choose to worship Satan or Gaia or whoever then fine. It seems almost as if not being a Christian goes hand in hand with being an indefatigable detractor of Christianity. Don't take it personally, Sweetheart....Not ALL Christians (or anyone else) are the same...YOU are definitely NOT like the ones that give Christians a bad name in general...If you WERE, you wouldn't even be at this forum...I know that you know what kind of people are being referred to when others express distaste for 'some Christians'....My baby girl is a Christian...She does NOT do the things that the 'bad ones' do

I'm in a hurry (gotta cook), so I hope this made senseOriginally posted by Dude Guadalupe
This is not exactly true. Sure, SOME participate in a black mass type situationTrue...I didn't mean to make my post seem 'all-inclusive'...I should have said, "SOME Pagans/Wiccans include ceremonies like Black Masses (although, none that I know personally)"....I apologize if I offended anyone...It wasn't intentional....THIS time :p

[hammerfan]

I'm going to butt in on this thread, sorry if I upset anyone!

Rayne, did you get my email last week?

[urgeok]

Originally posted by bloodrayne

But...They accept (need) help from God, usually when times get rough...and sometimes BLAME God when things go wrong

A Christian believes "God helps those who help themselves".....But...A Satanist believes "Only I can help myself"


you used the statement True Satanists...knowing the posers do other things..

i'm using True Christian in the same sense. Christianity is all about choices .. a True Christian knows that there is no help - it's all up to them to make the right choices while on earth.

[R.C. KITCHENS]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
People can and do participate in any activity that they choose here (as long as it's legal)...No one really cares...

As long as what someone else is doing doesn't adversely affect, or harm MY family in any way...It really doesn't matter what they're doing...Everyone is entitled to do their own thing...And to be perfectly honest, I really don't think we would even notice...

We do our thing...Everyone else does theirs...We all get along just fine :)


Thats a wonderful ideal way to live,but not everyone is like that.
I did sterotype Christians as being burnbellies, or stake drivers.
but after reading despare's comment, I see a side of christianity
that I, because of the easily depicted notion of christians,lost
reality with. That, some christians dont care, It's a choice to follow
your own path, but, There'd be mass hysteria in some area's.
especially with the levels of members..Everyone is different,
I almost feel like association in this matter would only demise
my path.

[Despare]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
[B]Don't take it personally, Sweetheart....Not ALL Christians (or anyone else) are the same...YOU are definitely NOT like the ones that give Christians a bad name in general...If you WERE, you wouldn't even be at this forum...I know that you know what kind of people are being referred to when others express distaste for 'some Christians'....My baby girl is a Christian...She does NOT do the things that the 'bad ones' do

I'm not really offended I just don't understand people having the innability to simply let others live their lives. Every group of every kind has their bad apples, people just need to realize this and be able to live with it. Hell... I don't like some Christians but I also don't like some Atheists, Buddhists, Mormans, etc...

[newb]

There is only ONE true religion.






http://www.beerquest1k.com/Assets/God%20hands%20beer%20to%20man.gif

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by newb
There is only ONE true religion.






http://www.beerquest1k.com/Assets/God%20hands%20beer%20to%20man.gif AMEN BROTHER!


High Priest Budwise:
Hail BEER!

[urgeok]

Originally posted by Despare
I'm not really offended I just don't understand people having the innability to simply let others live their lives. Every group of every kind has their bad apples, people just need to realize this and be able to live with it. Hell... I don't like some Christians but I also don't like some Atheists, Buddhists, Mormans, etc...

every belief system in the world would probably just fine if not for the people who follow them. they all basically say the same things (with the exception of the fringe weirdo shit)
Problem is - it's human nature to twist and bend these things to suit their own purposes .. fueled by greed or some other misguided notion. when it's a religious leader - and it usually is - that is the one doing the major bending and twisting .. thats when the shit hits the fan and once again some belief structure is made to look worse than the others ... but each and every single one has had it's unpleasant day.... thanks to it's members.

[meetthecreeper]

Most modern Satanists are atheistic. They do not believe in or worship any specific deity, Satan or otherwise. Instead, they honor what they consider the spirit of Satan. Modern Satanists tend to follow what they believe are the ideals of Satan, and present him as an ideal whose traits are to be emulated. Satan is often represented as a symbol of resistance to dominant religious traditions (e.g., Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu). Some examples of organizations that follow this practice are the Church of Satan, the First Church of Satan, and the Temple of Set. This form of Satanism is generally referred to as “philosophical Satanism.”

While they are in the minority, some modern Satanists are theistic. They believe in Satan as a real entity. The Order of Nine Angels, for example, believes that Satan, as well as other “dark forces,” are individual entities beyond human control. Members of this group strive to become “one” with these sinister beings, and seek “to create new, more highly evolved individuals” through the practice of what they call “traditional Satanism” (Long 1994). This form of Satanism is generally referred to as “religious Satanism.”

Not my words but a pretty good definiton of such.

Religion is your own and noones business.

[PR3SSUR3]

http://volokh.com/files/jim-Stansmilinghappy.jpg

[The STE]

to each his own. If it doesn't affect me, why should I care?

[Roderick Usher]

I love myth in all its forms. As an ex-Catholic I have an especially tawdry attraction to the idea of Satanism.

But mostly it makes me giggle.

[Haunted]

Someone missed something in their Satanic studies....Tsk tsk... LeVey used to head the "church" with a cat named Michael Aquino (no not the army dude- I don't think). They split, because Aquino wanted to go further than LeVey, and he did.

Michael Aquino formed The Temple of Set, which is "Satanic" in the sense that Pagan is pagan (Pagan=anything that isn't Christian... although that's not the technical definition). It's Satanic because it's bad. It takes the philosophy of devoloping personal power and ambition. It also teaches a sort of dark form of Hermetic sorcerey. They devote themselves not so much to the God Set, but to the idea of Set, who in the ancient Egyptian panthean, was the god of the desert, destruction, and things like that. He also, as you know, murdered and dismembered his brother Osirus.

They try to attain this state (?) ideaology(?) of xepher (kepher) which means "coming into being" or "I have come into being." (If any of these folks would have read Kant, they might have the true notion of transcendentalism and realized that someone had already cornered the market there).

@Skoof- Pantheism rules! Ah, but there are two definitions for pantheism 1.The Goddess is in everything (Thus making Her everything, thus Nature) and 2. There's always room for everyone's beliefs, provided they don't try to push them on me and that includes atheism.

Organized religion sucks ass, thus I quit training to become a High Priestess, and am not in a coven.

Believe me, I love to debate religion. I do. However, take it's totally and completely useless whether you're debating with a devout Catholic or a devout Atheist. It's totally useless. Furthermore... look at what's going on right now.

Lets take a lesson from little Witch Heather, let's take our own little beliefs and keep them in our little hearts, and talk about them ONLY among friends (we seem to be doing well here. No one's pulled out an uzi), and when holidays come we keep our little beliefs in the privacy of our own little homes so no one is offended, thus ending religious tension.

Because... Ultimately, it's between the individual and in Whomever or not they believe. For those that don't believe, what did Polonius say to Laertes (pretty sure it was Polonius to Laertes in Hamlet)? "To thine own self be true."




...I'm pretty damn sure P said that to L.... almost positive... doesn't matter, still holds... "To thine own self be true.

There every one is happy. We each have a positive.

[The_Return]

I dont have anything to add, I just wanted to mention something:

I took a break from homework to hang around here for awhile, a decided to read this thread. I can say, beyind the shadow of a doubt, that I've learned more in these for pages than I ever could from an essay on Galileo Galilei:rolleyes:

Thank you:)

[PR3SSUR3]

Stanism rules.

[newb]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Stanism rules. http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/37/150px-Laurel.jpg

[Haunted]

Although, now that I think about it, Polonius may have said it to Ophelia.

[newb]

Originally posted by Haunted
Although, now that I think about it, Polonius may have said it to Ophelia.
Great song


Boards on the window
Mail by the door
Why would anybody leave so quickly for?
Ophelia
Where have you gone?

The old neighborhood just ain't the same
Nobody knows just what became of
Ophelia
where have you gone

Was it somethin' that somebody said?
Mama, you know we broke the rules
Was somebody up against the law?
Honey, you know that I'd die for you

[meetthecreeper]

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[urgeok]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
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now whats a form of satanism i can get behind !


or in front,

or from the side ..

or hanging from a ceiling fan at 1200 rpm wearing a chicken suit and flinging lime jellow at a naked lion tamer.

[scaryminda15]

may ask, why do people think people kill because of video games, movies and music that is so dumb anyone elses thoughts?

[scaryminda15]

how cute u are DJ. but im serious they really blame innocent people for there crimes how retarded.


STAY ALIVE DONT DIE

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by scaryminda15
how cute u are DJ. but im serious they really blame innocent people for there crimes how retarded.


STAY ALIVE DONT DIE It is a result of the perpetual need to not own up to anything. think of it this way:

Violent media is an easy target. kids are exposed to it, and even though there are warnings and ratings, people STILL let their kids have it. Soeven though the parents are now responsible, the blame can not possibly lay with the companies that produce it, they are easy targets. They are faceless and have deep pockets, so they are the bad guy. Never mind that many of the companies that produce the games arent making money hand over fist.

Plus, this way, the parents can try to point the finger at someone else, rather than having to admit that they suck and probably should not have reproduced in the first place.


Probably the worst offenders here are the blowhards in the government that scream at the top of their lungs that our society is collapsing because of Doom , GTA and the occasional slasher flick. Its a great, easy way to make a name for yourself as a politician, which is why they have been doing it for what, almost 100 years now? They cant get down on liquor too much. They tried getting rid of that 80 years ago and actually increased the number of people getting killed.

Why arent they screaming about child predators? Education? Jobs? Oh, well they do, just not as much. less glamour in real problems. Plus, they usually scream about shit they know NOTHING about. I saw a senator on tv back in the early 90s complaining about a certain cartoon on MTV and how it was destroying our country (like the popular media has THAT level of influence. they wish)... He called it "Beavy and Butthole". Had never seen even a clip from it, but had heard they swore and set things on fire.

[urgeok]

the worst part of Satanism, is that they are more than willing to 'get 'em while they're young'