Raimi:The Grudge. Thats more like it [Archive] - Horror.com Forums

lee challenger

03-11-2005, 05:32 AM

After having a dig at Raimi for being involved with that snorefest that was Boogeyman I feel the need to balance it up after seeing the remake of the Japanese horror The Grudge that Sam organised to be remade by the original director for Western audiences.I had avoided seeing it at the cinema due to having seen the original and not wanting to see a watered down American version.How wrong was I? I've just watched it on DVD and it is absolutely superb.It actually blows the original away and actually scared me which very few movies do these days.Sam needs to get this Japanese director signed up to make some more films because the horror genre has been crying out for someone with film making talent that he obviously has.

urgeok

03-11-2005, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by lee challenger
After having a dig at Raimi for being involved with that snorefest that was Boogeyman I feel the need to balance it up after seeing the remake of the Japanese horror The Grudge that Sam organised to be remade by the original director for Western audiences.I had avoided seeing it at the cinema due to having seen the original and not wanting to see a watered down American version.How wrong was I? I've just watched it on DVD and it is absolutely superb.It actually blows the original away and actually scared me which very few movies do these days.Sam needs to get this Japanese director signed up to make some more films because the horror genre has been crying out for someone with film making talent that he obviously has.

i think it is easily the best horror movie to come out of the USA in at least 5 years ..

Vodstok

03-11-2005, 05:52 AM

:eek:

urgeok

03-11-2005, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Vodstok
:eek:

you got scared and peed your pants and got embarrased - didnt ya ..
come on admit it - thats why you dont like it :)

Vodstok

03-11-2005, 05:58 AM

I thought it was boring, meandering, inconsistent, unnecesarrily non-linear, and much of it was just ridiculous.

Where is Hellfire1, she is my backup on this. she hated it too :)

hellfire1

03-11-2005, 02:57 PM

zzzz.... hmm ? wha ? oh you're talking about the grudge ?

ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz........

:p

Angra

03-11-2005, 03:15 PM

How can people find it boring??? It had a climax every 5 minute?

:cool:

BH14

03-11-2005, 03:49 PM

i saw ju-on before The Grudge (american version) so I knew what to expect... Nevertheless I enjoyed it a little more because it explained a lil bit more and the effects were better. Both movies are very good though.

ItsAlive75

03-13-2005, 02:34 PM

I'm American!!! I love my movies short! I want everything explained to me! I want CGI special effects and big name actors!!! Go USA!

Vodstok

03-14-2005, 04:29 AM

Complain as much as you will about big name actors, explanations and cgi effects, but hollywood wouldnt keep churning that shit out if people didnt pay them to do it.

And i still think it was boring, meandering and pointless. I still find the exorcist creepy as hell, but the grudge bored and annoyed me. I thought they hit just around what could have actually been scary, but missed it....

Angra

03-14-2005, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Vodstok
Complain as much as you will about big name actors, explanations and cgi effects, but hollywood wouldnt keep churning that shit out if people didnt pay them to do it.

And i still think it was boring, meandering and pointless. I still find the exorcist creepy as hell, but the grudge bored and annoyed me. I thought they hit just around what could have actually been scary, but missed it....

Funny. I have the totally opposite opinion about it.:)

Vodstok

03-14-2005, 08:42 AM

So does everyone else, apparently:)

zwoti

03-14-2005, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Angra
How can people find it boring??? It had a climax every 5 minute?

:cool:

so a bit like a 70's porno then

urgeok

03-14-2005, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by zwoti
so a bit like a 70's porno then

not enough bodyhair

Angra

03-14-2005, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by urgeok
not enough bodyhair

No, as we all know asian people don´t have hair on their bodies.;)

kung-fu-jesus

03-15-2005, 02:03 PM

not to piss anybody off, but for all the hipe and the fact that it was soposed to be a fucking horror film

IT SUCKED ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

it was boring. stupid. and just fucking anoying. come on it was basicly just like the ring( which was ok, only for being a little original, untill every on found out it wa a remake and saw the original). the kid and family drown, they came back, the wont go away, i mean with the exception of a video tape the damn thing was basicly repeditive.

not to mention all the fuckers at school who said it was scary as hell.

as for the guy who said it was one of the best horror films to come out of the us in the last 5 years. all i have to say is

SAW.

true, the grudge over shadowed saw, but thats only because alot of people were to pussy to go see it.

Angra

03-15-2005, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by kung-fu-jesus
not to piss anybody off, but for all the hipe and the fact that it was soposed to be a fucking horror film

IT SUCKED ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

it was boring. stupid. and just fucking anoying. come on it was basicly just like the ring( which was ok, only for being a little original, untill every on found out it wa a remake and saw the original). the kid and family drown, they came back, the wont go away, i mean with the exception of a video tape the damn thing was basicly repeditive.

not to mention all the fuckers at school who said it was scary as hell.

as for the guy who said it was one of the best horror films to come out of the us in the last 5 years. all i have to say is

SAW.

true, the grudge over shadowed saw, but thats only because alot of people were to pussy to go see it.

HEATHEN!!!

I liked "Saw" though.;)

barbra

03-15-2005, 04:45 PM

I was sure saw was going to suck, it seemed cool, but people who make movie adds these days have a.d.d. or something, you can't tell what a movie is about anymore unless you look it up. But I liked saw, I whent to see the grudge instead but then again I went with my dad and he has a thing for sarah michelle geller. I was only tense one time during the movie and that was when the dead chicks reflection showed up in the bus window. you know the sound the spirits made through the movie? its like a joke between me and some friends.

Angra

03-15-2005, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by barbra
I was sure saw was going to suck, it seemed cool, but people who make movie adds these days have a.d.d. or something, you can't tell what a movie is about anymore unless you look it up. But I liked saw, I whent to see the grudge instead but then again I went with my dad and he has a thing for sarah michelle geller. I was only tense one time during the movie and that was when the dead chicks reflection showed up in the bus window.

Funny. That was the only scene that shocked me too.

But mostly because that was the only scary moment i had NOT seen before in the japanese versions.

Like i´ve said before then The Grudge is a blend of the first 3 "Ju-on" movies when it comes to the different scares in it.

the kessler boy

03-16-2005, 04:26 AM

urgeok

03-16-2005, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by kung-fu-jesus
as for the guy who said it was one of the best horror films to come out of the us in the last 5 years. all i have to say is

SAW.

i asked what american horror films were anywhere near as good as the Grudge in the last 5 years ...

and you named one movie ?

Vodstok

03-16-2005, 08:13 AM

Jeepers Creepers
The Ring
Dawn of the Dead
Hell, even Wrong Turn was better in my opinion.

urgeok

03-16-2005, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Vodstok
Jeepers Creepers
The Ring
Dawn of the Dead
Hell, even Wrong Turn was better in my opinion.

i'll kick your ass boy !!!

:)

Vodstok

03-16-2005, 08:25 AM

newb

03-16-2005, 08:26 AM

Ok...the final word is...the American remake of The Grudge was done very well and Vod licks goat testies.:D

Vodstok

03-16-2005, 08:33 AM

Lick? Never!

ItsAlive75

03-16-2005, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by newb
Ok...the final word is...the American remake of The Grudge was done very well and Vod licks goat testies.:D

I thought it was too disjointed like the Japanese version.

Dunno bout' that second part:D

urgeok

03-16-2005, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by ItsAlive75
I thought it was too disjointed like the Japanese version.

Dunno bout' that second part:D

disjointed ? because it worked backwards ?

Vodstok

03-16-2005, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by urgeok
disjointed ? because it worked backwards ? And not in a good Pulp Fiction way. More of a "We have no idea how to express this story properly" way.

no one ever seems to acknowledge me saying that it was predictable... Does that mean you did too?

urgeok

03-16-2005, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Vodstok
And not in a good Pulp Fiction way. More of a "We have no idea how to express this story properly" way.

no one ever seems to acknowledge me saying that it was predictable... Does that mean you did too?

most of these Japanese or Korean ghost stories are fairly predictable ...in the sense that they are mysteries that once solved,, should put the ghost to rest.

this is coming from someone (me) who considers almost every movie i see - predictable.

i dont care much about that in this case ..
i find that the movies are so well made that they are able to pull off a compelling movie each time.

(i'm speaking within my exposure so far - Ju-on, Ringu, Dark Water, The Eye - and the american counterparts so far)

I havent liked the Korean movies too much so far. They seem like a pale imitation of the Japanese films.

but it still leaves me wondering what you prefer .. surely not slasher films ... they are insanely predicctable and totally devoid of atmosphere (i'm talking americans here - not the italians)

3 films in recent memory i've enjoyed ..

6th Sense, The Others, Session 9 .. and Stir of Echos gets an honerable mention. (it was a good movie but it doesnt stay in the forefront of my mind - and there must be a reason for that.

as far as The Grudge ... i dont get the argument that it was hard to follow, or disjointed .... but thats because i didnt have any trouble following it ...

Vodstok

03-16-2005, 10:56 AM

I had no problem following it, its just that the time shifts seemed to come out of nowhere and didnt actually add anything to the film for me. Pulp fiction used the time jumps to tie all of the stories together. the grudge seemed to use it because there was a cool device at their disposal, so why not?

Plus, the deaths were just boring to me. gasp, die. eek.

The ring did a much better job. the first time i saw the part where noah dies, i damn near shit myself.

kung-fu-jesus

03-16-2005, 01:18 PM

i still say it sucked.

if you want to see a really fucked up jap horror film rent

AUDITION

this movie is so fucked up it freeked out rob zombie.
go see it. the girls cute. also its a little slow but make sure you watch the last 20 min of the movie.

this movie is fucked up you way never watch it again. other than being a little so and seriously fucking derange its pretty good. so if you like jap horror this is the top movie.

urgeok

03-16-2005, 01:53 PM

so .... 'fucked up' is your measure of quality in a horror film....

Angra

03-16-2005, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by kung-fu-jesus
i still say it sucked.

if you want to see a really fucked up jap horror film rent

AUDITION

this movie is so fucked up it freeked out rob zombie.
go see it. the girls cute. also its a little slow but make sure you watch the last 20 min of the movie.

this movie is fucked up you way never watch it again. other than being a little so and seriously fucking derange its pretty good. so if you like jap horror this is the top movie.

I actually found "Audition" slooooow paced and boring a long way through the movie. But luckily it had some good actors. The last 20 minutes were nice though. The lead actor, was by the way, the detective in the american "The grudge". Funny huh?;)

kung-fu-jesus

03-16-2005, 06:00 PM

no fucked up isnt my measure of horror quality. i ment fucked up as fucked freeky. the crazy bitch has the guy in a burlap sack. she cuts of his tounge, legs, ect. she uses acupunctuer( only thick needles) in his nose, tounge( before she sliced it off with some sharp ass wire. she also preformes acupuncture on the dudes eyes. when she takes his foot off the crazy bitch giggles with joy.you got to watch it to get it all.

so i ment fucked up as in grusome and the fucking bitch is crazyer than jack was in the shining.

urgeok

03-16-2005, 06:12 PM

so i guess that could have used a spoiler alert.
I have the DVD - havent watched it yet.

i guess i dont need to now ..

thats fucked up.

Vodstok

03-17-2005, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by urgeok
so i guess that could have used a spoiler alert.
I have the DVD - havent watched it yet.

i guess i dont need to now ..

thats fucked up. Watch it anyway. AMC's 100 scariest movie moments blew the ending for me, but i still loved it. It has great character developement and a phenominal payoff in the last 15 minutes or so.